Teen Gothic

I find it somewhat absurd that some argue Boy Harsher isn't goth simply because it lacks a guitar element to distinguish it from synthpop or other related genres. We all acknowledge The Frozen Autumn as darkwave, even though it lacks a guitar. What's the rationale here? The Frozen Autumn often sounds more like synthpop than Boy Harsher. If our distinction of modern goth music relies on popular opinion rather than factual evidence from the history of past genres and their correlation with the goth subculture, then why engage in subjective arguments? Boy Harsher isn't completly industrial, and it doesn't sound like new wave. So why the debate?

As an audio engineer and musician, I get confused because I can discern the similarities and differences between each music creator and the inspiration they draw from others. Yet, within this subreddit, contradictory, hypocritical, and cognitively dissonant remarks are prevalent.