how small a band should be to be considered “underground”?

I recently started listening to a few bands with 1k-5k monthly and it made me wonder what counts as "underground" goth bands.

in another scene I'm part of, bands with 15k are considered kinda big (not really, but still not underground), but goth music has more listeners.

around where does a band start being considered "underground"? it's obviously not a specific point, but just an approximation.

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