Teen Gothic

Ploho is usually classified as post-punk and cold wave and I’m pretty new to exploring gothic rock so I might be wrong but this album sounded really close to it to me

For me, it’s definitely the Second Wave. I just love bands that mix the goth sound with rock, especially hard rock. I wish we had more modern bands following this path.

So, obviously gothic literature as a genre isn't the basis of goth the subculture, and honestly I think the gothic as a literary tradition has a lot less influence on early goth than Fin De Siecle decadent literature (Baudelaire, Rimbaud, etc) which was also important to many punks (see Tom Verlaine etc) and 20th century avante-garde figures especially French and German (Cocteau, Jean Genet, the whole of German Expressionism). Like obviously Byron and Shelley are in there, but they're fundamentally part of the Romantic movement. The Gothic, in any of its iterations from the 18th century to the 1960s-1970s Gothic romance, seems to be largely disconnected from Goth as a subculture in its early iterations)

Goth at its inception is very literate and references experimental literature frequently, which is interesting because punk seems to have produced more novelists who get “literary cred” like Kathy Acker, Dennis Cooper, Jim Carroll etc.

So why is that? What literature are you aware of that influenced the music?

I’ve always grown up in the American west, and I find a gothic feel within the sublime atmosphere that is resonant within it. I’ll listen to old blues or country songs that speak about and romanticize death and sorrow like few songs I’ve heard. The feeling and history is so palpable sometimes that I’m surprised I’ve found very little people that express themselves the same way, is this something odd, or something you guys have experienced, come across, or could see? I’m curious whether people here see any meaningful thematic or historical overlap between the tradition of goth’s preoccupations with death, decay, and romanticism, or whether this is better understood as parallel inspiration rather than direct connection.

For example, these bands that I listen to have some of the deepest gothic elements, and western/folk structure or style, and seem to be offshoots of goth’s upbringing:

Angels of Light, Wovenhand, 16 horsepower, Fields of the Nephilim, Swans, The Gun Club, Lilium, Rattlesnake Milk, and even some Sisters of Mercy on a spiritual level, like First and Last and Always

The attached images are taken of or by me and are just to illustrate the atmosphere I’m trying to describe, please lmk if this is out of the context of this sub but I do think they are tied together

Hi All,

I just finished Andrew Reed's Assimilate, and loved it, found it well-researched, enjoyable to read, etc. He only briefly touched on the Gothic and Darkwave both from a literary analysis and the cross-pollination of Goth and Industrial subcultures, but he whetted my taste (particularly because he mentioned "pseudo-medieval music" without talking about Dead Can Dance) for a more critical examination of the Gothic, both in its roots in the literary genre, the analysis of the music and its production, and an analysis of the subculture. I was curious if anyone had written a work of similar breadth as Reed's on the topic? Thus far I've found a number of historical texts (Art of Darkness, Goth: A History, Season of the Witch), but I'm not sure, beyond their own description, which is more extensive or would suit my designs better.

Recommendations of scholarly and non-scholarly articles, journals, and even fanzines alike are also welcome. I've found a few on Jstor right now, but I'm sure some of y'all know some good articles.

Im not goth i dont know much about gothic musik and those stuff

Hey everyone, can anyone recommend some gothic music in Spanish? I want to sing at the top of my lungs.

Songs like "Tell Me Your Life" and "That's Why" have all the hallmarks of post-punk, "Kill Me Because I'm Dying" is the ultimate expression of love (not necessarily romantic) after death, "Until You Stop Breathing" speaks of desire in such an exalted way, "Wind" with its line "Bewitch me, let's become eternal," and other songs like "Until I Die," "Shadows in Lost Times," etc., contain certain lyrics that I believe fit perfectly within the gothic genre.

I find the gothic music genre is rather overwhelming in terms of its variety. How did you find your specific tastes?