Teen Gothic

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But what I found the most interesting was how many people with this Facebook group, utterly detest goth music to such a degree. They hate it. Hate its founders. And can’t understand why anyone would listen or form a community around it.

However, they are the type of people who will say that to be goth is not to listen to the music. They all say that it is a mindset, a style, an aesthetic, a historical group, spooky, scary, all of that, but refuse to ever say that the music means anything, and that’s why rhetoric which dismisses goth music as the key to the goth subculture is so harmful.

Goth music is quite literally the one thing which keeps these assholes out on the sidelines because they hate it, aesthetics and fashion does not! Nazi’s and conservatives are like those parasites which infect weak insects, control their bodies and lead them to their colony to continue the infection. The swatskia, totenkoph, skinheads, are just a few examples of Nazi’s co-opting and taking ahold of aesthetics to force their ideology.

They will use aesthetics to draw in the masses under a guise of the dark innocence and the they use it as a way to promote their ideology. Regardless of how you feel about goth and it’s relation to music, I think it’s quite obvious how decentralizing the music to replace it with a “mindset” or those who “feel goth”, just leaves more room for those who “feel goth”, but are also bigots. That’s what I gathered.

I read someone’s comment, and please take credit for it, but they said it isn’t gatekeeping we need, it’s standards and I must agree. That community hates goth and all it stands for, no room for them at all!

okay so i just want everyones opinions on this. i feel like the community is so insanely split? like people saying "oh its music based" (which it most definitely is) or "you have to wear _" or that you cant buy fast fashion etc etc. i feel like it's important to discuss but along the way we seem to lose a sense of community? like it feels like no one agrees on anything and we stopped having fun and enjoying ourselves. was it always like this or is my perception warped? i dont really know. thoughts? hope this is on subject enough lmao.

I am not intending on starting a flame war in the comments, I am only curious as to individual feelings.

I'll see music posted with tags like goth rock, post-wave, etc. What's the difference?

One of the biggest things I do not understand is the commonality of digital editing within society. I don’t use most of my social medias anymore as I hate the way people are falsely representing themselves. I find it harmful for the people who unknowingly are misled. But, I didn’t expect to see these “goth” subreddits and the many posters editing their appearances with mods doing nothing. It sucks that the subculture has now fallen victim to the harmful pressures of the societal norms to be perfect when we originally became “goth” to avoid it. I suppose that’s my take, but I am curious about what other people think.

While it is still low, there seems to be a number of goths or those that claim to be who are openly anti-trans. I wouldn't say its just limited to opinions on the use of pronouns but on all trans identities directly.

Do you think it has the potential to become problematic? How do you view this? Is it mostly online in your opinion? I personally think it's low and mostly online.

In the 90s/2000s there was very fringe death in june and neo-folk/powerelectronics fans, and even rarer officially traditionally conservative or far right actual goths, who sometimes were open about their views in goth clubs. Outside of these people, you'd occasionally stubble upon open homophobia and racism, a bit more than today (hard to asses that properly to be fair), but in the last 5 years or so it was mostly people who at least for the most part barely knew enough about the music spouting alt-right talking points from the internet and claiming to be "goth"

I've just noticed this anti-trans thing, which is barely a thing, in the last year or so. What are your thoughts?