Teen Gothic

I'm looking for the best, most accesible, newish bands to start a friend over into goth music, I tried with the 80 stuff but the production was a turn off for them, so I wanna get them into newer bands and work my way from there, help

PS: I started them w/ AFIs Blood Album / Bodies w have a lot of pretty good goth elements and they enjoyed that

EDIT: I get AFI is not a goth band, I never said they were ?? I said my friend was a fan so I showed them their newer stuff as I thought it would be a good segway lol, can we not derail the subjet please? at this point mentioning any other band that's not goth here is a sin or something. Im not making that mistake ever again… thanks for the dislikes though

Bring out your dead! DING! Bring out your dead! DING! Bring out your dead! DING…

Hello!

From what I've been told by my parents, who saw them live a few decades ago, or by my friends who saw them in the 2010s, the band is really awfull experience live on festivals. I've been told this by several unrelated parties, and I don't think anyone ever told me that they enjoyed them live.

Is that true? How have your experience with SotM live been? I has been unversally recommended to me that it's better to not see them live and keep my naivety, but they will play in a city across the country this year. But it's far and expensive, on an unrelated genre festival, so I'm not really sure whether it's worth it.

So, would you go?

I will preface this by saying this was a disagreement on tiktok which sounds so silly and i realize this.

Anyways, this girl posted a makeup look with dark eyeshadow and eyeliner and she put “#gothic” as one of the hashtags. People were grilling her in the comments saying this wasn’t goth, she didn’t look goth, etc. and I personally felt that was wrong. I commented and shared how goth is a music based subculture and that as long as you love the music, know the ideals and history of this subculture, you are goth! The makeup and fashion is just a plus. And I went on to say how there are plenty of folks who are goths and do not look the part (me included most of the time, thanks Covid)

And someone argued with me saying that goths follow a certain aesthetic and the one she’s dressed as is not it. And I said that I understand that but I think there should be more room for individual expression because the typical goth aesthetic is not one size fits all. And then they shot back at me saying things such as “well you can’t wear lip gloss and pink and be considered goth, etc” and I just am wondering where this whole mindset is coming from?

It was really giving off “you don’t look goth enough if you aren’t wearing x/y/z” vibes which I think could give baby bats a bad taste when first entering the subculture. Why can’t we wear pink and lip gloss and still be goths? I ended the argument with a respectful exit but I’m curious what you guys think. I personally think that since the core foundation of goth is music, it shouldn’t matter what you look like. But this is simply my opinion and any other thoughts are welcome! No opinion is wrong, we all have our points of view and I accepted hers with grace even if I disagreed

I also apologize if this is not the right space, please remove if need be!!