Teen Gothic

like….not from hate to love or love to hate….both at the same time yk

I'm in my 20's, still very much a babybat, and trying to learn about the history and scene today.

For the Goths who are now parents, how did that life event change or affect you? I guess if I am being honest, I'm more primarily interested in the perspective of 90's Goths, but if you're not, please still do share.

If you're an adult, but don't have kids or never plan to have kids, are you able to share what it's been like to see if your siblings, friends, and other people around your age having kids?

I feel particularly inspired by people who continue the lifestyle in parenthood, and share their connections to scenes. I once met a woman who was running a theater store, and she actually told me she used to be a Goth girl, and would join Goth clubs or Industrial clubs in Los Angeles. But now that she's a parent, she no longer visits the clubs or sports the iconic wardrobe.

I’ve seen a lot of fashion brands add bdsm elements to anything they have that is gothic “gothic dress with harness straps etc..”

Also I’ve seen a lot of people that always associate goth girls with bdsm “like when they see them they immediately assume they’re into bdsm etc..”

These are just few examples of what I’m trying to say

So… now to the real question

What is the history and link/association between goth culture and bdsm? Is bdsm inherently part of the culture? If bdsm is not, then how did all of this associations between the two start?

I just discovered The Snake Corps via the Spotify algorithm doing it's thing … was wondering why I'd never heard them before and then realized that I basically had since they were doing a number of SL&G songs.

And then I found via Wikipedia that the band was actually made up members of SL&G? I'm not really clear on the chronology of which band was formed when, does anyone have any insights?

Recently been through a rough and very toxic relationship and…i just want to relax to some music 🤷 being cheated on sucks

I remember Andrew Clinco of Drab Majesty came under fire for posting a racially insensitive tweet. There was a statement after “The tweet was myopic, unsympathetic, steeped in cultural prejudice, and it represented myself as both a racist and a bigot” He continues “I see now that it emanated from a position of white privilege, something that I promise to recognize moving forward. It was a careless and selfish attempt at humor without considering my audience and the current state of the world, and I see how this tweet contributes to a frightening climate of increasing harassment against Asians and people of color, making a space for discourse less safe.”

Recognising that is all well and good, however Andrew Clinco also has a music project called VR Sex of which Aaron Montaigne (Antioch Arrow) is a member. Montaigne is an ex soldier and has a tattoo of the Black Sun (a symbol used by the SS) on his lower leg. I also saw a video of him wearing a ring with the symbol on it.

If I remember correctly in the same video he mentioned being proud to have fought in combat and mentioning “the fucked up democracy we live in.”

As ironic as it seems, Cryptofascism is prevalent in areas of the Hardcore scene and this sadly extends to Goth and Industrial. What I find really creepy is the song Surrender. It appears to be from the point of view of someone in a club who sees someone there as being pretentious and stupid, noting that they “dress like Jimi Hendrix”

Plenty of racists deny their racism, especially when they’ve been called out for it in public. They’ll say anything to slip back under the radar.

You can easily disguise your sick beliefs in lyrics. These can be clues to others who believe the same “if you know you know”

It’s deeply disturbing because I love Drab Majesty’s music. It’s always sounded like some of the freshest music in the scene. So what’s going on with Drab Majesty?