Teen Gothic

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Today is the day Rozz Williams passed away in 1998. Every year on this day, I rewatch his videos on YouTube. But that's not what this post is about. This post is about what happened to Christian Death after Valor stole the band from Rozz. I don't understand why people continue to go to their concerts and festivals. Do you really want to support a thief?

This is very random of me but I’m just starting to see it more and more over the years. Just a basic background I’m a brown asian guy in the UK, I’ve been alt since I was in the early years of high school (i didnt even know about the word or meaning of alt at that point) and over the years its just become fully my lifestyle.

But what I really don’t see a lot of is other brown alt people (any subculture), its every once in a blue moon. I go to shows and gigs and concerts but theres nobody else most of the time. I’m just wondering if anybody else notices this or maybe if you do fit this description, let me know your thoughts.

Maybe it’s cultural or religious restrictions (they were whats deterred me at least), or maybe I’m looking at it wrong? idk

Also this is not in any way an attack or blame on anyone or anything, it’s just something I want others opinions on. This is kinda UK specific also since I feel like theres a bigger proportion of brown alt ppl in other countries.

Thanks guys

Nothing I said was a lie. It's freedom of speech. It's not defamation of character if you believe is what you are saying is the truth. I thought they were supposed to be "against canceling" looks to me like they love it

I know goth music extends to a lot of different sounds/sub genres and it doesn't all sound the same, but it's not too different than any other genre/sub-genre.

When trying to explain what is/what is NOT goth music, a lot of people get either offended, extremely confused or start arguing against this, as if goth music isn't a real genre of music and/or that it incorrectly extends to other bands/sounds/genres, or that a band/song isn't really goth music, but just a higher genre realm like post-punk or alternative and that the sub-genre goth never actually applies.

Why is this? What is it about goth music that people have such a hard time understanding as a genre?

It's not like if someone was listening to a Mozart symphony and you were like "oh wow, I love classical music so much", the average person would say "what are you talking about, that's not classical, there's no such thing as classical", or that they would say "Mozart is punk."

It also confuses me why so many people insist on calling other genres goth music. The classic examples being stuff like Depeche Mode, etc…

So many people get so defensive about this. They either haven't really listened to what the full spectrum of goth music sounds like, or they have and are confused and just feel the need to argue that certain bands/songs still are goth music when they clearly aren't. It's not like the average person would call Mozart, Jazz music. Why does this misnomer happen so often with goth music?

I get that there are some similarities within other genres that share similar sounds/instruments as goth music, such as synth-pop, industrial, ebm, etc… But anyone who has even the smallest amount of music theory knowledge would/can be able to make the deduction that, if one song/band doesn't have the vital elements/factors of a certain sound/genre, then that song/band won't be considered that certain sound/genre.

I suppose this happens within other genres too, but it seems like this is very big especially with goth music and I can't figure out why this is.

Any thoughts?

So I like goth music, metal music, punk music I'm really big into diy and battle jackets and so on but when I say I want a partner thats goth and into the same things I like. people keep on saying I'm fetishizing alternative women but i don't know if this is actually fetishizing or not though. I hate people making it seem that I objectify women and that I'm misogynistic

EDIT: (This post is based off of me trying to get to know all the alternative looking people in my school which is not alot considering I live in a small town with a school of 500 students, most of them spreading rumors that I fetishize goth girls which I don't I just want somebody that shares my interests in things and has the same fashion sense, i want to do projects together like patch pants sewing and battle jackets etc.)

I find this kind of funny, but often around my friends who don’t identify as goth, just don’t vibe with the subculture, or not really even sure what goth is I play goth music. They usually like it and often ask me what band or artist is playing hahaha. I think they don’t realize it because they’re expecting something way different. I just straight don’t tell them while I’m DJing in the car and they usually like the music I’m playing hahaha. Does anyone else have this experience or is it always turn that **** off (experienced this as well) haha

Examples of liked bands: Twin Tribes, Drab Majesty, Colonizing elsewhere

Examples of Turn that ****off: Literally anytime I put on any death rock band

Okay so stupid question but as an autistic goth who really wants to go clubbing, I have no clue if it's completely abnormal to go to goth clubs alone or not. I don't really have any goth friends- alt friends, sure but not really goth and so I wanted to know if that was really weird or not??

Maybe I'm just oversimplifying it, but it really seems like only one core tenant needs to truly be met to claim oneself as goth: listen to and appreciate the music. If the music isn't goth, there's nothing wrong with that, but the subculture is based around the music.

Bonus points for the makeup, the clothing, the philosophies, the books, the movies, etc. But being goth is really so straightforward, at least in my mind.

I’ve had MANY people ask me “what type of music is considered goth” I always explain it to them of course because I don’t want to be a mean weirdo. But I find it odd. It would be like if someone asked “what type of music is rap? Or punk?” Like… punk music, punk music is punk. I just think it’s strange how many people don’t know that goth is a music genre.

My mom found these pictures in an old box of hers. The pictures were probably hung up by her in the late 80s/early 90s. She doesn't remember who they are though. Does anyone know?