Teen Gothic

Please correct me if I am wrong about this and I am fully open to criticism:

For a while now I have seen a rise in berating others, especially baby bats, for interpreting a band or song as goth that another person disagrees with it/makes fun of them for thinking it is goth. I have seen legitimate harassment level messages such as death threats due to someone interpreting something as goth that another person deems incorrect. Music genres, especially this one with so many genres and subgenres, get incredibly blurry in some areas with other music (such as new wave and non-goth postpunk) and it feels wrong to say that there is an exact hard line everyone has to agree on between what is and isn’t be considered goth. Obviously not saying that BTS or Arianna Grande are goth due to interpretation as that would be straight up wrong, but for example the debates on Molchat Doma and similar seem to go wayyyy further than should. Why can’t we just “I interpret this song/band as goth” “I interpret this song differently and not as goth” “that is okay”?. The subculture is very important to me so I know that keeping the genres meanings are important, but the recent rise has kind of concerned me and a lot of the “protecting the meaning” has gone way off the rail. Has anyone noticed a similar trend? Is this a common sentiment and I’m just late to the party? How can we better approach this issue and help prevent toxicity?

Thank you!

show me playlists, songs, etc! any goth song with a foreign language, preferably languages that arent JUST european (though that’s perfectly fine!) any genre is fine btw

Of course I've found the obvious Russian and Belarusian post-punk and a few Hispanic. But other than that none. If anyone of you come from a non-English speaking countary or just know of any gothic/post-punk/new wave bands or artists in a different language I'd love to see.

Idk if this is the right place to point this out but I find it incredibly ironic that people have so many stereotypes about goths that are wrong. The subculture as a whole is just unbelievably misunderstood. As someone who is only very recently coming into this subculture, I've noticed this so much. And the overwhelming sense of community and openness is not something that is often portrayed about goths in pop culture, but it really seems like a defining feature. Everyone I have interacted with has been so kind and warm. <3

Does anyone else notice this or see how it impacts people around them's perceptions irl?

I don’t have a clear understanding of what exactly Industrial is and would really appreciate if it could be explained with some examples of industrial artists!

I also see post-punk be confused with goth. I somewhat have an understanding of the two but not sure where to draw a clear line.

Then there’s coldwave, darkwave (heavy synth?), ethereal wave, and all that fun stuff lol. I’m not too sure of the difference between all of those.

Examples are appreciated! Hoorah to learning!