Teen Gothic

I know I'm not the first person to share this sentiment and I know I will certainly be far from the last. What is funny is a lot of the goth sexualization and objectification comes from predominantly right wing circles, despite the Goth movement having left wing ties due to it being an offshoot of punk culture and a post punk subculture.

Not to mention the growing watered down idea of what a goth is. Dudes refer to people who, the closest thing related to goth they listened to, is something like Deftones or Lil peep. Not to diss on them but to say they are goth is factually incorrect.

Matter of fact, they'll probably call ANYONE who wears eyeliner and wears black goth. I've seen emos and metalheads get labeled as goth it's insane. It's clear that these people who want a "Dommy mommy goth" (I felt physical repulsion typing out that string of words) are not interested in the subculture or music whatsoever, and quite frequently, condemn it. If presented with a trad goth, steampunk goth, or something like that, will most likely be the first ones to point and laugh, or say some shit like "do a wrist reveal."

I mean there's nothing wrong with having preferences, but it becomes kind of fucking weird when you make it a personality trait.

I think a main factor of their fetishization or "justification" in their fetishization is the idea that all goths are sexually promiscuous and "freaky" who will take charge in an intimate setting and has a list of fetishes that matches the length of Santa's naughty list. I think it becomes really telling how goth porn subreddits have more members than actual goth subreddits

This little rant is getting a little lengthy, I only intended to write a few sentences and got really sidetracked, but yea. I wasn't really sure where to post this and figured it would be fitting to post this here. I frequent this sub often, although I don't think I ever posted here. I guess just lemme know what you guys think

I love goth, post punk, dark wave, deathrock, etc etc etc… but I’m trying to find some other genres to enjoy so I don’t get too bored of my favorite music. What other kinds of music do you guys enjoy and recommend?

It could be a product of my ADHD or just that I have little knowledge about certain things. I've been a part of the goth culture for quite a while, and sometimes in frustrates me to be unable to easily deduce between what's what.

I don’t have a clear understanding of what exactly Industrial is and would really appreciate if it could be explained with some examples of industrial artists!

I also see post-punk be confused with goth. I somewhat have an understanding of the two but not sure where to draw a clear line.

Then there’s coldwave, darkwave (heavy synth?), ethereal wave, and all that fun stuff lol. I’m not too sure of the difference between all of those.

Examples are appreciated! Hoorah to learning!

Since this is lesser known, outside of some classic goth songs and albums with more stick out hard rock and metal influences, what would you consider to be lesser known legitimate goth bands that fuse both goth and metal properly and consistently enough to still be real goth.

Of course no gothic metal, dark alternative or mall metal or darkly inclined black metal, hybrid industrial, metal/rock that is vaguely influenced by goth or anything that isn't goth.

Hello mates,
I know, a lot of people on this sub listen to other music than only goth-rock/post-punk/darkwave/gothic metal, but usually, it is connected in some way – musically, esthetically, lyrically (industrial metal, punk-rock, or even guys like Marilyn Manson). Do you like any other kinds of music? Especially something that isn't connected to the gothic subculture in any way – dub, reggae, hip-hop, house, downtempo, synth-pop, jazz, classical music, etc. Would like to hear your thoughts on the topic.